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Vezmem len prvý odstavec:
- "precedúry",
- "vplýžila" - keď už, tak vplížila, ale ani to sa už dávno nepovažuje za slovenčinu,
- "neuróny zotavujúce" - chýba čiarka,
- "nechceli aby sa" - chýba čiarka.
A to nehovorím o tom, že sám robíš to, na čo nadávaš, často používaš cudzie slová.
Ani ja sa nechcem hádať, upozorňujem len na to, že zdrbávať niekoho verejne bez možnosti obrany je ľahké a podlé.
Pripúšťam, že cudzie slová použijem tam, kde môj prachom zapadnutý slovenský slovník nestačí. Možno sa mi nepodarilo vylíčiť popisovanú situáciu moc dobre a ty čitateľ to nevnímaš tak ako ja. Mne to však pripadalo ako niečo otrasné, lebo všetky slová, ktoré som od spominaných pánov počul, majú veľmi jednoduchý a výstižný slovenský ekvivalent.
Neber to ako zdrbávanie, skôr ako postreh pocestného, ktorý niečo podobné ešte nepočul. Taktiež, nešokovala ma len tá jedna veta, ale celý rozhovor, ktorý sa od nej moc nelíšil. Predpokladám, že si z Bratislavy a stretávas sa s niečím podobným každý deň. Pekný deň prajem.
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Velmi vystizny clanok. Minule som takto sedel v IC z Bratislavy a za mnou tiez otrasna dvojica az po Poprad... uff.
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"snažím sa udržiavať si znalosti svojej rodnej reči na profesionálnej úrovni"
No snaz sa, snaz. :)
si totálny idiot.... trafená hus zagágala
a to uz preco? nie si nejaky prilis agresivny? nahodou s autorom suhlasim. len som ho upozornil, ze on sice infantilne neanglicizuje, ale zato tiez robi hlupe chyby.
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vtedy som pozeral po nejakom kameni a zena ci muz, nezalezi, hodil by som :)
Prznime tu nasu rodnu rec velmi. My, emigranti v anglicky hovoriacich krajinach a aj doma sa amerikanizmi velmi lepia.
Vyrazy: ...ta bula som v trafiku...
.......klouzni ty doory...
...dneskaj klinujem, ta som bizi....
...dze robis? na konstraksn?...
...ja robim len za kesa...
...rentujem apartman s livinkrumom a dvoma bedrumami...
Tak ze anglictina je nielen medzi pcitacovymi stupencami :-)))
Ze medzi Slovakmi po slovensky????
Stanley: Myslím, že títo páni boli z Accenture ;) Viac dodať netreba. Plne s tebou súhlasím.
maťo: Presne tak. Bez hudby sa to dnes už nedá. Ale zasa štúdie ukazujú, že to konštantné bubnovanie decibel do našich uší má trvalé následy na sluch.
Janka, juraj, Kuba: Ďakujem za pochopenie článku a milé príspevky :)
To:Stanley
informatika zas tak lahke studovat nie, a ten co napriklad skonci FIIT si svoj diplom urcite zasluzi, za to co musiel na ten skole prezit co ale neznamena ze je odbornik na IT
Počítače...v slovenčine....no, poklepať na ikonu v okne prieskumníka mi tiež príde hodne podivné, preto mám operačné systémy a menu všetkých prístrojov zásadne v angličtine, slovenčina ma tam vždy zmätie kvôli špičkovým prekladom, a zaberá mi veľa času robiť spätný preklad a hádať, čo to asi za funkciu chcelo byť pôvodne, kým sme to nazvali po slovensky)
Druhý extrém je, čekovať veci, refrešnúť sa, dilítnuť z listu, vyfakovať lúzrov, ... zbastardené a zlé. Buď anglicky, aj písmom aj výslovnosťou, alebo slovensky. Nič medzi tým, môj pocit. Stačí sa učiť z chýb Nemcov. Tí už sú total ausgepowert, abgefuckt a durchgecheckt.
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Autorovi želám, čo najmenej takýchto "inteligentných stretnutí".
Keď 80% mojej práce tvoria anglické texty, je pochopiteľné, že sa poangličtené výrazy dostanú do môjho prejavu. Pozor, do môjho prejavu pri komunikácii napríklad s KOLEGAMI, teda s ľuďmi, ktorí mi tiež rozumejú. To ste zrejme nepostrehli. Pravdepodobne sa nebudem takto isto rozprávať aj s ľuďmi, ktorí mi nerozumejú.
V práci je pre mňa jednoduchšie použiť "updatni to" namiesto "aktualizuj to", z viacerých dôvodov. Keďže celý deň pozerám na Updaty a nie na Aktualizácie, jednoducho mi to prv príde na um. Aj kolegovi bude skôr jasné, čo od neho žiadam. Keď sa dvaja hráči rozprávajú o hre, ktorú hrajú v angličtine, tiež nebudú všetko poslovenčovať a hádať, čo ten druhý vlastne myslí. Nepíšu esej, hrajú sa hru.
Samozrejme, netreba to preháňať, ale podstatné je jedno. To, že počujem niekoho takto rozprávať, predovšetkým rešpektujem a nemyslím si, že som lepší človek len pre to, že ja v práci dôsledne dodržiavam pravidlá slovenského jazyka.
A ty triple x si nejaky mudry...
Ja by som toho chalana, co to napisal neukamenoval :)
Som tiez v USA a obcas pouzijem taketo slovicka. Tu je to ale ine, pretoze zijem v tejto krajine a musim sa prisposobit (lebo oni sa nechcu kua ucit po slovensky). Kazdopadne treba to brat ako nejaky "trend", ze ludia motaju cudzie slova tam, kde nemusia. Neviem vsak, ci je prave tento trend spravny.
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Nedávno, zahĺbený do svojich myšlienok a čakajúc v dlhánskom rade vedúcej k letiskovej kontrole, ma ako blesk z jasného neba trafilo niečo do ucha. Ako si tak stojím a v duchu preklínam letiskovú ochranku a nezmyselné bezpečnostné procedúry, nečakaná veta sa vplížila cez moje pravé ucho do mozgu, kde ospalé neuróny, zotavujúce sa zo 14 hodinového letu, začali zrazu prskať, iskriť a strieľať signály ako ohňostroj na Nový rok. Automaticky sa natáčam smerom k zdroju spomenutej vety, ktorá sa ako výkrik v jaskyni ozýva znovu a znovu v mojej ospalej hlave. Vedľa seba vidím dvoch do oblekov natiahnutých pánov, Slovákov, ktorí viedli priateľskú debatu. Určite nechceli, aby sa inkriminovaná veta dostala do môjho okolia a spôsobila neurónovú búrku v mojej hlave, ale tak to už na verejných priestranstvách chodí. Človek musí byť pripravený na všetko.
"Čekni si dva integrované portály, ktoré sme launčli pre zvýšenie ROI" sa neprestajne ozýva v mojej hlave a ja sa snažím dekódovať zmysel týchto podivných slov. Pán, ktorý bol odvážny vysloviť túto vetu, si všimol môj zarazený pohľad a premeral si ma. Oblečený v džínsoch a obyčajnom tričku som zrejme nepôsobil ako autorita na "integrované portály" a tak sa veselo pustil ďalej do páchania zločinov voči jazyku slovenskému a zdravej mysli. Ja nie som žiaden štúrovec, zo Slovenska som odišiel po prvom ročníku gymnázia, ale snažím sa udržiavať si znalosti svojej rodnej reči na profesionálnej úrovni.
Čekni si dva integrované portály, ktoré sme launčli pre zvýšenie ROI
Môj mozog, v tej chvíli už pracujúci na plné obrátky, sa pokúša stráviť tento potrat verbálneho prejavu. Ich konverzácia, stále hlasnejšia a dráždivejšia, sa už len tažko dá ignorovať a ako roj včiel si robí z mojej hlavy jeden veľký podráždený úľ. Som nútený počúvať vyvíjajúci sa dialóg o integrovaných portáloch a drsných implementačných praktikách; obraz ich pracovného života sa mi začína živo vykreslovať. Vtedy mi to došlo. Títo páni za to ani tak celkom nemôžu, oni totiž iní ani nevedia byť.
Boli to programátori-manažéri a nie hocijakí. Programátori-manažéri internetových aplikácií a to zo samého dna programátorského živočíšneho reťazca – ASP programátori pracujúci pre daľšiu otrokársku zahraničnú firmu v Bratislave. Programátor-manažér, oficiálne tituly má rôzne, je typ človeka, ktorý nemá na to byť programátor, ale pozná zopár zvonivých a často používaných fráz, ktoré omieľa stále dookola a tým si zabezpečuje promócie. Vie používať MS Word a Powerpoint a pred kamarátmi machruje tým, že ovláda SQL a doma na počítači má Ubuntu. Programátori ho nenávidia a vyšší manažéri ním pohŕdajú, je však nutným medzikusom novej firemnej kultúry dovezenej z Ameriky. Dozerá na programátorov, ich kód a píše správy vyššie postaveným manažérom.
Slovník tých dvoch pánov, podobne ako aj duševný stav, je limitovaný na výrazy typu "čekni si to," "updatnem tamto" a "kancelnem toto." V zúfalstve prehľadávam vrecká a hľadám niečo čím by som toto utrpenie ukončil; klinec, nožík, kyanid draselný, hocičo len nech to účinkuje rýchlo. Vďaka mimoriadnym bezbečnostným predpisom na letiskách, nenachádzam nič lepšie ako slanú tyčinku, ktorú mám sto chutí si napchať do uší.
Ignorujúc zbastardenú slovenčinu, snažím sa aspoň pochopiť o čom páni v sakách hovoria. Už som nejaký ten piatok v podobnej brandži, ale o integrovaných portáloch, dynamickej pripravenosti a kros-platformových elektronických trhoch som ešte nepočul. Zaspal som dobu? Vletel môj Boeing do nejakej čiernej diery a preskočili sme čas do roku 2100? Nech robím čo robím, nič z ich konverzácie mi nedáva zmysel. Vzdávam to.
Pud sebazáchovy sa konečne ozval, neuróny to už asi dlhšie nemohli vydržať a začali odumierať. Otočím sa ku dvom pánom, nahlas zahmkám a prehovorím: "Chlapci nemali ste byť teraz v škôlke?" Jednému spadla sánka, druhý začal chytať červenú farbu a koktavým hlasom na mňa skríkol: "S-Staraj sa o seba ty faking m-magor." S úsmevom sa otáčam a v duchu si vravím, radšej budem faking magor ako programátor a menežer integrovaných portálov. Od vtedy nevytiahnem nohy z domu bez kvalitne hlučnej hudby blokujúcej podobný nonsens.
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xxx | 29.03.2007
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Hlupáčik, predtým, než začneš vypúšťať invektívy, odporúčam najskôr doštudovať si tú slovenčinu tebe samotnému. V článku je gramatických chýb habadej, dokonca niekoľko hrubiek. A nevyťahuj sa tým, že nerozumieš technickému slangu, napriek tomu, že si "už nejaký ten piatok v podobnej brandži."
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Dávid | 29.03.2007
Mohol by si mi tie chyby aj ukázať? Ja sa rád učím a nikde v tom článku zo seba nerobím žiadneho jazykovedca. Jediné, čo som napísal je, že nie som žiaden štúrovec a aj napriek mojej situácii sa snažím svoju slovenčinu udržiavať na dobrej úrovni.
Neviem o tom, že by som sa v článku nejakým spôsobom vyťahoval... Ale ja nie som typ človeka, ktorý by sa hádal. Musí to tak byť keď to vravíš. Hmm, nie si ty jedným z tých dvoch pánov?
PASSEVITRAILLE | 31.03.2007
Alebo aj tak. Hm... čo si to zabezpečuje? Promócie? Nie povýšenia?...Lebo na Slovensku sú promócie len po vysokej škole.
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Hlupáčik, predtým, než začneš vypúšťať invektívy, odporúčam najskôr doštudovať si tú slovenčinu tebe samotnému. V článku je gramatických chýb habadej, dokonca niekoľko hrubiek. A nevyťahuj sa tým, že nerozumieš technickému slangu, napriek tomu, že si "už nejaký ten piatok v podobnej brandži."
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yes....I agree.
rrr | 29.03.2007
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...Boli to programátori-manažéri a nie hocijaký...
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Dávid | 29.03.2007
Ďakujem. Opravím.
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xxx | 29.03.2007
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Nie som jeden z tých pánov.
Vezmem len prvý odstavec:
- "precedúry",
- "vplýžila" - keď už, tak vplížila, ale ani to sa už dávno nepovažuje za slovenčinu,
- "neuróny zotavujúce" - chýba čiarka,
- "nechceli aby sa" - chýba čiarka.
A to nehovorím o tom, že sám robíš to, na čo nadávaš, často používaš cudzie slová.
Ani ja sa nechcem hádať, upozorňujem len na to, že zdrbávať niekoho verejne bez možnosti obrany je ľahké a podlé.
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Dávid | 29.03.2007
Za korekciu článku samozrejme ďakujem.
Pripúšťam, že cudzie slová použijem tam, kde môj prachom zapadnutý slovenský slovník nestačí. Možno sa mi nepodarilo vylíčiť popisovanú situáciu moc dobre a ty čitateľ to nevnímaš tak ako ja. Mne to však pripadalo ako niečo otrasné, lebo všetky slová, ktoré som od spominaných pánov počul, majú veľmi jednoduchý a výstižný slovenský ekvivalent.
Neber to ako zdrbávanie, skôr ako postreh pocestného, ktorý niečo podobné ešte nepočul. Taktiež, nešokovala ma len tá jedna veta, ale celý rozhovor, ktorý sa od nej moc nelíšil. Predpokladám, že si z Bratislavy a stretávas sa s niečím podobným každý deň. Pekný deň prajem.
xxx | 30.03.2007
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V poriadku.
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21 | 30.03.2007
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Mne sa napríklad ťažko chápe hojné používanie slova "pablikovať" vo význame publikovať. :)
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Dávid | 30.03.2007
:) vidim, ze vies o com hovorim 21.
Stan | 30.03.2007
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Mne sa zdaju vsetky tie vyrazy normalne. Odisiel som zo Slovenska, ked este neexistovali ani slovenske klavesnice a nikomu ani nechybali a uz vobec si neviem predstavit ako sa preklada update alebo cancel.
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Dávid | 30.03.2007
Ja som nikdy nemal slovenskú klávesnicu a do dnes píšem dĺžne a mäkčene cez [shift] "+" a písmenko, ale to mi nebráni v tom, aby som niečo zrušil, a nie "kancelol."
Jozef II. | 02.04.2007
Ja presne viem, o com ten chlapec pise. Ma pravdu. Casto stretavam ludi, pouzivajucich europsky newspeak alebo takuto "radobyodbornu angloslovencinu" - hlavne vela cudzich slov z IT slangu, nech sme "in" a "trendy" a hovno tomu rozumieme. Nejde o rozhovor odbornikov, ale o polovzdelancov, kde sa tymito vyrazmi nahradzuju skutocne vedomosti, taka hmla.
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Velmi vystizny clanok. Minule som takto sedel v IC z Bratislavy a za mnou tiez otrasna dvojica az po Poprad... uff.
lemuel | 30.03.2007
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"v dlhánskej rade"
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"snažím sa udržiavať si znalosti svojej rodnej reči na profesionálnej úrovni"
No snaz sa, snaz. :)
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Dávid | 30.03.2007
Ďakujem. Opravím. Ináč, nikto nevníma podstatu článku...
peter200 | 01.04.2007
si totálny idiot.... trafená hus zagágala
lemuel | 01.04.2007
peter200 | 01.04.2007
si totálny idiot.... trafená hus zagágala
a to uz preco? nie si nejaky prilis agresivny? nahodou s autorom suhlasim. len som ho upozornil, ze on sice infantilne neanglicizuje, ale zato tiez robi hlupe chyby.
Kuba | 31.03.2007
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Ahoj,
článek se mi moc líbil, přesně můj šálek kávy. Obzvlášť obsahově výorný. Jen tak dál ;)
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juraj | 31.03.2007
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ja tu podstatu vnimam, pekne si to popisal... tiez sa mi minule stalo, ze som zacul 'som jej klejmovala, ze to tak nie je'.
vtedy som pozeral po nejakom kameni a zena ci muz, nezalezi, hodil by som :)
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Janka | 31.03.2007
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Nahodou, prima clanocek!
Prznime tu nasu rodnu rec velmi. My, emigranti v anglicky hovoriacich krajinach a aj doma sa amerikanizmi velmi lepia.
Vyrazy: ...ta bula som v trafiku...
.......klouzni ty doory...
...dneskaj klinujem, ta som bizi....
...dze robis? na konstraksn?...
...ja robim len za kesa...
...rentujem apartman s livinkrumom a dvoma bedrumami...
Tak ze anglictina je nielen medzi pcitacovymi stupencami :-)))
Ze medzi Slovakmi po slovensky????
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eau de cologne | 31.03.2007
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ja som za to, nech si pise a hovori kazdy ako chce. bez ciarok interpunkcie a hlavne ypsilonov. pre mna za mna aj tym najtvrdsim slangom. jedinym kriteriom je pre mna, aby som rozumel jasne, co chce povedat resp. vyjadrit. ked to niekoho pohorsuje, tak je to na komunikatorovi, cito ma pre neho vyznam, ci prijimatel jeho spravy je pohorseny alebo nie.
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radissimo | 31.03.2007
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to eau de cologne: skutocne si mislis ze kazdi nech sy pyse ipsylony ako chce? Chcem povedat resp. vyjadrit ze tebe by to mohlo pomoct aspon by si si setril tych par zoschnutych neuronov ktore este mas.p.s.z tvojho nicku je mi na grc. peace
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xxx | 02.04.2007
Ty si hlupák. Prosím, nepíš. Nikdy a nikde.
maťo | 31.03.2007
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Ja som raz zažíval niečo podobné 4 hodiny vo vlaku. Cestoval som zo školy a spolu so mnou húfy krajanov študujúcich za riekou Moravou o deň skôr domov na predĺžený víkend, využívajúc nejaký ten český sviatok, ktorý u nás nemáme. Vlak bol preplnený tak, že sme sa ledva zmestili do uličky. Bola už noc, vonku tma, do uší nič, svetlo v chodbičke na čítanie dosť biedne, jedným slovom nuda. V Přerove to ale začalo a trvalo, a trvalo, a nie a nie prestať. Dvaja chalani v mojom veku asi tri osoby napravo odo mňa sa začali baviť o nejakej počítačovej hre. Prvých pár minút sa to dalo vydržať, veď kedysi ma to tiež bavilo. Po asi 15 minútach mi to už ale začalo liezť na nervy. Tie vety boli rovnakého typu ako tie, čo si počul na letisku:-) Samé apgrejdni monstra, čekni si power a enerdži, či sú aspoň na medium levli, ale musíš mať čejdžnutý armor na full. Po hodine som prestal dúfať, že snáď zmenia tému na niečo, čo by nedriapalo uši, a všetky svoje nádeje som vložil na šancu, že už sme čoskoro za hranicami a že možno vystúpia už v Púchove. Nič. Považská. Nič. Žilina nič. A potom to z nich nejakou záhadou vyšlo. Spomedzi enemov, developnutých dragonov a slaverov zazvonil mobil a jeden z mojich "kamarátov" doň zahlásil, že v Košiciach budú nejak okolo siedmej. Potom si už pamätám len toľko, že zaspali 10 minút pred mojím vystúpením. Takže záver je podobný: Bez mp3 playera už ani na step:-)
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wor | 19.11.2008
snáď bez mp3 prehrávača :))))
Stanley | 31.03.2007
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Suhlasis plne s autorom clanku, hlavne poznamka o kralikarnach tupu Dell, IBM, Siemens, Accenture & spol je trefna. Zial, vyzera to tak, ze na Slovensku sa okrem "programovania" informacnych systemov ( ktore koniec koncov robia studenti - vid. Siemens PSE ), portalov a podobneho typu "softwaru" nic normalne nerobi ( v zmysle tvorenia skutocnych hodnot, pripadne prispevku k technologickemu rozvoju informatiky ). Vlastne to aj chapem - niekde sa tych 90% studentov, co koncili informatiku len pre diplom zamestnat musi... ( na 90% to odhadujem podla poctu ludi z mojho rocnika z techniky, ktorym by som nedal napisat ani "Hello world" za peniaze )
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Dávid | 31.03.2007
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Ďakujem za potrehy a pripomienky.
Stanley: Myslím, že títo páni boli z Accenture ;) Viac dodať netreba. Plne s tebou súhlasím.
maťo: Presne tak. Bez hudby sa to dnes už nedá. Ale zasa štúdie ukazujú, že to konštantné bubnovanie decibel do našich uší má trvalé následy na sluch.
Janka, juraj, Kuba: Ďakujem za pochopenie článku a milé príspevky :)
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Jozef II. | 02.04.2007
Lepsie nasledky na sluch ako skoncit v base pre ublizenia na tele... :-)
Legemza | 04.04.2007
myslis, ze ti pani boli z accenture? dost trapne napisat nieco take, ked to nevies urcite.
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tommy | 31.03.2007
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Suhlasim, Accenture mi uz nejaky cas zerie nervy s tym ako vo velkom generuju "IT konzultantov",
To:Stanley
informatika zas tak lahke studovat nie, a ten co napriklad skonci FIIT si svoj diplom urcite zasluzi, za to co musiel na ten skole prezit co ale neznamena ze je odbornik na IT
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Legemza | 04.04.2007
accenture neprodukuje iba IT konzultantov, aj ked ich tam asi je vela:) okrem toho ludia, ktori skoncili FIIT alebo FEI su urcite celkom dobri programatori, to nepopieram, ale aj tak vela z nich skonci v podobnej kralikarni a budu obycajni robotnici, iba budu produkovat kody.
ankh | 01.04.2007
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Počítače...v slovenčine....no, poklepať na ikonu v okne prieskumníka mi tiež príde hodne podivné, preto mám operačné systémy a menu všetkých prístrojov zásadne v angličtine, slovenčina ma tam vždy zmätie kvôli špičkovým prekladom, a zaberá mi veľa času robiť spätný preklad a hádať, čo to asi za funkciu chcelo byť pôvodne, kým sme to nazvali po slovensky)
Druhý extrém je, čekovať veci, refrešnúť sa, dilítnuť z listu, vyfakovať lúzrov, ... zbastardené a zlé. Buď anglicky, aj písmom aj výslovnosťou, alebo slovensky. Nič medzi tým, môj pocit. Stačí sa učiť z chýb Nemcov. Tí už sú total ausgepowert, abgefuckt a durchgecheckt.
Lúčim sa heslom Smrť padlým hrdinom!!!
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g | 01.04.2007
"pričom Sandman je postava z anglosaskej démonolátrie"
Hlúposť. Sandmann je nemecký Večerníček. Preklad Piesočko je celkom podarený.
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bol to vynikajúci článok ... vďaka Ti Dávid..
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rootless.rooter | 02.04.2007
vecernicek z byvaleho NDR sa volal Sandmänchen, cica. takze hlupost si zadelil ty.
http://www.sandmaennchen.de/_/programm/sm/index_jsp.htm- - l
sandmann JE z nemeckej mytologie
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Sandmann_(Hoffma- - nn)
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V IT sfére síce nepôsobím, ale takéto správanie vo mne vyvoláva veľmi analogické pocity ako u autora článku.Najlepšie na tom je,že títo "experti" na IT sa neraz prejavia ako obmedzenci (nechcem sa nikoho dotknúť, je to môj osobný názor),ktorí okrem iného neovládajú ani spisovnú slovenčinu.
Autorovi želám, čo najmenej takýchto "inteligentných stretnutí".
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mno, dalsi expert na zle charakteri. v IT sphere sa riesia veci anglicky, tak je pohodlne ich pouzivat anglicky medzi fellas kery tomu bars rozumenju. V tom problem nevidim. Takisto taki ludia v sackach co behaju po svete mozu mat slovnik vselijaky, nesudil by som ich na zaklade vete o IT rieseniach o ktorych sa dominievam nemas paru. Hanil by som iba ludi od ktorych som lepsi. bud v IT, abo v gramatike, abo ako charakter, co nezvozi za jednu vetu ludi o ktorcyh inteligencii a realnych jazykovych dovednostiach nema paru. blogov je vela a treba si vyberat
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xxx | 02.04.2007
Presne tak.
w | 02.04.2007
uff ty si uz len predviedol dovednosti :)
Anova | 03.04.2007
Teda,to je príspevok na "úrovni" :-)
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Mna skor odpudzuje Tvoja reakcia. Suhlasim s prispievatelom nado mnou ze to co si Ty tym panom povedal sa v slusnej spolocnosti nerobi.
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Ha, skvely clanok! Velmi som sa pobavila. Jedna vec je pouzivat IT zargon a druha vec je snazit sa ho vopchat do kazdej vety ako je dnes v mode. Ale marne, kolko spotvorenych cudzich slov vo vete pouzijes, tolko krat si clovekom. A ked ich nepoznas, vymysli si..
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Vyborny prispevok, vystizny a tiez je vyborne, ako "trafene husi zagagali", vyborne, a sam autor clanku tvrdi, ze nie je ziaden sturovec. Iste aj pohlad tak povediac zvonku ukazuje zrkadlo na nafukanych chudakov, s privlastkom menezeri programatori. Presne opisuje sucasnu situaciu
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Nemôžem si pomôcť, článok aj niektoré reakcie mi pripomínajú rev urazených detí. Naozaj vám vadí, že sa vraj "przní" slovenčina? Alebo vás v skutočnosti s vašimi komplexami a možno traumami z detstva rozčuľuje, že tým ľuďom nerozumiete, hoci si myslíte, že by ste mali? Ste predsa "z brandže."
Keď 80% mojej práce tvoria anglické texty, je pochopiteľné, že sa poangličtené výrazy dostanú do môjho prejavu. Pozor, do môjho prejavu pri komunikácii napríklad s KOLEGAMI, teda s ľuďmi, ktorí mi tiež rozumejú. To ste zrejme nepostrehli. Pravdepodobne sa nebudem takto isto rozprávať aj s ľuďmi, ktorí mi nerozumejú.
V práci je pre mňa jednoduchšie použiť "updatni to" namiesto "aktualizuj to", z viacerých dôvodov. Keďže celý deň pozerám na Updaty a nie na Aktualizácie, jednoducho mi to prv príde na um. Aj kolegovi bude skôr jasné, čo od neho žiadam. Keď sa dvaja hráči rozprávajú o hre, ktorú hrajú v angličtine, tiež nebudú všetko poslovenčovať a hádať, čo ten druhý vlastne myslí. Nepíšu esej, hrajú sa hru.
Samozrejme, netreba to preháňať, ale podstatné je jedno. To, že počujem niekoho takto rozprávať, predovšetkým rešpektujem a nemyslím si, že som lepší človek len pre to, že ja v práci dôsledne dodržiavam pravidlá slovenského jazyka.
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A ty triple x si nejaky mudry...
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Mno, ja ten clanok ozaj tiez chapem a beriem to ako nieco zaujimave na precitanie. Chapem, ze slovac je uz raz taka. Ved vsetci dobre vieme, ze slovak dva dni v Prahe nerozprava, ale MLUVI :)
Ja by som toho chalana, co to napisal neukamenoval :)
Som tiez v USA a obcas pouzijem taketo slovicka. Tu je to ale ine, pretoze zijem v tejto krajine a musim sa prisposobit (lebo oni sa nechcu kua ucit po slovensky). Kazdopadne treba to brat ako nejaky "trend", ze ludia motaju cudzie slova tam, kde nemusia. Neviem vsak, ci je prave tento trend spravny.
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Ze slovak hned mluvi zas nie je take zle. Domorodci prechovavaju nepriatelske pocity k tym ktori sa neprisposobuju (cigosi, arabi) Naopak ti ktori sa integruju nemaju vacsinou problem. A to je v CR, Holandsku, Norsku kdekolvek. Staci ukazat snahu a domorodci to ocenia. Nakoniec, ze je takk Norsky dakujem a Jeg vorstar ikke nerozumiem sa naucis za 5 minut, takze nulova namaha a efekt obrovsky.
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