Nová verzia portálu VIVO.sk

Pár rokov dozadu som známemu požičal svoje nové auto. Nutne potreboval prepraviť bedničky s ovocím a jeho stará Škodovka už na túto prácu nestačila. Známy, starší to pán, s radosťou prevzal kľúče a spokojne si odfrčal. Neprešla ani pol hodina a dvíham si telefón k uchu. Zo sluchátka sa ozve séria nadávok, nervózny a nahnevaný hlas mi oznámi, že si mám po tú kraksňu prísť. Vraj to nevie ani cúvať a páku už skoro ohol, čo sa snažil zaradiť spiatočku. S jemným pobavením v hlase som známemu vysvetlil, že tento model auta vyžaduje aby sa páka mierne zatlačila smerom dole a až potom je možné spiatočku zaradiť.

Nové VIVO zazrelo svetlo sveta ani nie pred 48 hodinami a už sa nám ozývajú ľudia, podobní môjmu známemu, ktorí sa boja zmeny. Skôr ako vyskúšajú čo má nové VIVO pod kapotou, koľko má koní a aké funkcie ponúka, budú radšej mrhať naším časom a písať vulgárne emaily.

Život je plný zmien - dobrých i zlých. Väčšina členov sa zhodla, že nové VIVO prináša pozitívne zmeny. Lenže na to aby ich človek videl, musí chytiť ponúkané nástroje do ruky a naučiť sa ich používať, vyskúšať si ich a prispôsobiť si ich tak, aby čo najlepšie slúžili jemu. Pračlovek to vedel - zobral kameň a spravil si z neho nástroj. Ja verím, že moderný človek nestratil tento dar vynaliezavosti a vezme VIVO do ruky a naučí sa ho čo najlepšie používať vo svoj prospech.

Kde sú funkcie zo starého VIVA?

Všetko čo bolo v starom VIVE je stále aj v novom, aj keď možno v inej podobne. Staré VIVO ti umožnilo pridať zopár fotografií týždenne, bodovať ich a vyjadriť sa k nim. Tým sa jeho funkčnosť končila. Nové VIVO ti umožňuje to isté a mnoho viac. Spravili sme ho tak, aby čo najlepšie slúžilo každému fotografovi - nakoniec aj my sme fotografi.

Chceš VIVO používať ako fotobanku a nezaujímajú ťa hodnotenia a názory iných? Nech sa páči. Nahraj si svoje fotogafie na VIVO, taguj si ich, trieď si ich, ukazuj ich rodine a priateľom a nikto ti nebude nadávať, že pridávaš braky a máš samé prepaly v záberoch.

Zaujímajú ťa názory iných na tvoje práce a chceš s ostatnými diskutovať o fotografiách? Potom je tu pre teba fotokritika. Raz za 48 hodín môžeš žiadať o kritiku jednej, rozumne vybranej, fotografie a členovia ti budú dávať body a písať názory.

Nemáš fotoaparát a páčia sa ti fotografie? Nevadí. Prezeraj si práce iných, zatrieďuj ich do položiek, odporúčaj ich a vyjadri sa k nim.

Týmto sa však funkčnosť nového VIVO ani z ďaleka nekončí. Roky sa ľudia sťažovali na určité obmedzenia starého VIVA. Preto sme pre vás pripravili skupiny a akcie, kde si členovia môžu kraľovať sami sebe. Nezaujímajú ťa krajinky a makrá púpavy ti už lezú krkom? Vytvor si svoju skupinu a púšťaj do nej len ľudí s rovnakými záujmami, pridávajte si fotografie podľa vášho gusta a vytvorte si svoj mikro svet, do ktorého vám nikto nebude strkať nos.

Je nové VIVO perfektné?

Ani z ďaleka. Neustále ho opravujeme a dorábame do neho veci. Niektoré funkcie nie sú ešte spustené, iné sa len chystajú - VIVO sa neustále mení. Naším cieľom je, aby VIVO obsahovalo dokonalú zmesku nástrojov, ktoré dokáže oceniť každý nadšenec fotografie. Ak ti niečo na VIVE chýba, daj nám o tom vedieť. Konštruktívnu kritiku a nápady si radi vypočujeme.

A čo môj známy?

Nakoniec ma uprosil aby som mu to auto predal. Na výkonný AWD, posilňovač riadenia, vysoký podvozok a hlavne komfort za volantom jeho Škodovka nemala. Preto verím, že ak ťa fotografia zaujíma, naučíš sa VIVO a funkcie, ktoré ti ponúka, plnohodnotne využívať. Netreba hneď zavrhovať to čo je nové o odlišné.

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Dana Husárová | 03.11.2008
... vyzerá to, že "Vivo bez hraníc"... dobrý článok, aj samotný blog je fajn nápad...
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Neustále ho opravujeme a dorábame do neho veci. Niektoré funkcie nie sú ešte spustené, iné sa len chystajú - VIVO sa neustále mení. Naším cieľom je, aby VIVO obsahovalo dokonalú zmesku nástrojov, ktoré dokáže oceniť každý nadšenec fotografie.
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Michal Sim alias vrana | 03.11.2008
Ano, ta analogia so starym a novym autom napadla aj mna. Je to ako ked presadnes z Felicie do Pasatu. Chvilku frfles, ale potom uz len same pozitiva ;)

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maran | 03.11.2008
... ako som už písal na vive ... srdečná vďaka chalani za taký nadupaný systém - je to proste nadčasové a ľudia strašne leniví a ufrflaní ... mne sa to páči - jedine čo by som osobne privítal, tak možnosť zmeniť vzhľad na niečo v tmavom prevedení ...
Stano Dubik | 03.11.2008
Ta analogia s autom nie je moc vystizna, pretoze nova verzia viva prinasa tolko novych veci, ze sa to snad so starou ani neda porovnat.

vrana > nesuhlasim, je to ako keby si presadol z felicie do kokpitu boeingu... chvilu frfles a potom to radsej vzdas... nie vsetci su totiz nadseni zo stoviek "features"

Osobne ma nezaujima vytvaranie roznych komunit, tagovanie fotiek bude napomocne akurat tak zlodejom... dizajn som ocakaval este jednoduchsi ako bol, namiesto neho je tu kopec "bizuterie" - veci, ktore odputavaju pozornost a to podstatne - fotky a nazory na ne su v ustrani...

Vivo bola moja domovska stranka niekolko rokov, v podstate nepretrzite som sledoval vsetko co sa tu dialo, ale myslim ze na nove vivo si asi nezvyknem :(

Autorom sa chcem podakovat, podaril sa im kopec dobrej roboty a maju zivotaschopny projekt, ktory zmenil zivoty mnohych ludi... Vdaka.
kovan | 03.11.2008
na novom vive boli odmakane stovky hodin, za co ja osobne adminm dakujem. Malim, ze bezny uzivatel nema ani zdaleka predstavu, co vsetko sa za vyslednym produktom skryva. Zatial si este len na novu verziu zvykam, lebo stara sa mi zdala podstatne jednoduchsia, no vsak uvidime :)))
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Fotograf77 | 03.11.2008
Akákoľvek zmena v živote, vyvolá v človeku strach, chaos a nedôveru. . . Dnes sa na nové Vivo pozerám už iným okom a začínam mať pocit, že sa moje vnímanie týchto VIVO zmien obracia k lepšiemu, už som totižto poobjavoval kopec nových funkcií a naučil som sa ich používať:-)
Nájde sa tu samozrejme ešte zopár nedostatkov, ktoré sa verím v krátkej dobe utrasú a dajú na správne miesto :-)

Držím palec aby sa stalo VIVO najlepším fotografickým portálom v EU :-)))D
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Kalyh | 03.11.2008
Myslím že nové vivo má momentálne svoje výhody aj nevýhody. Mnoho ľudí si na nové funkcie možno nepotrpí ale verím že niekroté sa časom pre nich stanú samozrejmosťou a prirodzene zdomácnejú.Ja zmenu skôr oceňujem aj keď je fakt na niekomu sa môže zdať portál truchu zložitejší.Osobne by som privítal keby konečne fungovalo portfólio.V starej verzii mi nešlo a v novej som nikde k nemu nenašiel ani žiadne informácie.Každopádne vďaka za "nové" VIVO :) všetkým čo priložili ruku k dielu...
juraj | 03.11.2008
MOJ NAZOR JE TAKYTO: SLOVACI A BEZNI LUDIA, POZNAJU SLOVENSKE STRANKY, KTORE AKO PROGRAMATOR SAM POVAZUJEM ZA UBOHE. TU PRISLO NIECO KUSOK ZLOZITEJSIE, NECHCEM TU MENOVAT INE PORTALY KTORE NEPONUKNU NIC LEN REKLAMU. TO JE CELY PROBLEM LUDI, SLOVACI A TO NEBERTE V ZLOM SU PRILIZ MALO VYSPELI NA KOMUNIKACIU NA INTERNETE, RESPEKTOVANIE SA, POCHOPENIE SA. VIVO JE SUPER CHALANI. KTO NEVIE OVLADAT NECH NEOVLADA. TAKY JE ZIVOT. KTO CHCE SA TO NAUCI.
Stano Dubik | 03.11.2008
Vazeny Juraj, trepes dve na tri, a neviem preco tu hanis Slovakov a beznych ludi? A pre koho sa tieto weby robia? Pre programatorov? Nejakych geekov, ci pre koho vlastne? Ja som si vzdy myslel, ze pre obycajnych ludi... ktorymi v podstate aj fotografi su... nie? Osobne som urobil par "zasvecujucich" rozhovorov pri vstupe na vivo, slo to tazko, ale slo... A ked si tych ludi predstavim teraz, myslim ze to vzdaju, ako by sa mali trapit...

Prave naopak, stare vivo bolo preto dobre, ze ho zvladol aj ten obycajny jednoduchy clovek, ktory na to nepotreboval dvojdnove skolenie... Preto sa tu vytvorila taka silna komunita ludi (rozneho veku, skusenosti, vzdelania, etc!!)

Btw, Juraj, ak si myslis ze ty si ten spravne vyspely na komunikaciu na internete, tak si v prvom rade vypni caps lock... A mozes sa prilezitostne zamysliet aj nad svojou gramatikou ;-)
No co k tomu povedať je to tak akoby sa narodilo nove bábo, ja osobne si stale zvykam uz som tu dakych pár hodín a osobne prvy dojem bol ze ach bóooze ja sa tu stratim, ale cím viac tu tým brouzdám stale mi to pride pokrokovejšie, a dúfajme že si časom zvyknem na nový šat. Tak teda nech sa novému VIVU darí, hojte ;)
mironn | 03.11.2008
ak mate stary explorer 6 je to chaoz, fakt miestami to ide zle, nahodil som si novsi prehliadac a uz je to fajn, chaoz sa straca...
slavo | 03.11.2008
velmi dobry posun vpred, toto chybalo a konkurencia bude mat co robit aby chytila tento vlak :)
werdza | 03.11.2008
uz si normalne zacinam zvykat na nove vivo, muselo to dat vela namahy to prerobit. :) aj ja som musela preinstalovat stary explorer a uz ficiii dobre. a tento clanok ma potesil, lebo som ani nevedela, co setko tu je, ze mozem pridat fotku, co cem nechat bodovat raz za 2 dni, ako to bolo, lebo sa mi to zo zaciatku zdalo neprehladne a stale trochu zda a nesimla som si to tam. treba fakt cas, kym si na to zvykmene. a super vec je, ze, ked si cem dat niekde link na moju galeriu tu, tak vnom mam aj meno, predtym som tam mala len vivo.sk/clen-3057 :)
efrafa | 03.11.2008
dobry clanok :)
Kimlo | 03.11.2008
dakujem programatorom za to co spravili.

zdielam nazor ktory je v tomto clanku.
Nove vivo je cesta vpred. Nove vivo nasadilo latku o kus vyssie co sa tyka urovne fotoportalov. Myslim, ze momentalne svojou strukturou a spracovanim je to najlepsi fotoportal, ktory som kedy navstivil.

necitim sa tu nicim obmedzeny a mam volbu sobodneho vyberu kde a kedy budem co publikovat, kde a kedy sa skym budem bavit, a kde a kedy budem na co reagovat a koho necham reagovat na moje aktivity.

takze vdaka.
Lenka | 03.11.2008
plne s tebou suhlasim.
Miso | 03.11.2008
Nove Vivo je technologicky velky skok dopredu a autori zjavne zvladaju sucasne trendy vo vyvoji web aplikacii - klobuk dolu.Nerozumiem vsak preco bolo potrebne z uzivatelskeho pohladu "COPY PASTE" mnozstvo napadov a sposobov prace z Flickr.com.Povodne vivo bolo prave v tom osobite, ze bolo jednoduche a ze to nebola fotobanka. Napriklad v tom, ze ked som pridal fotku, bola urcity cas na uvodnej stranke a VZDY si ju niekto vsimol a napisal hodnotenie.Teraz tu mame Flickr.sk, nadupane funcknostou co je fajn, ale preco vlastne? Myslim, ze tim, ktory vivo urobil a musel odviest kusisko dobrej prace nemusel nevyhnutne tak prisposobit strategiu viva niecomu co uz existuje a pochovat koncept stareho viva.Tiez si vsak myslim, ze drobnou upravou, resp. zjednodusenim stranok vycisenim funkcii, ktore su dostupne systemom "vsetko odvsadial" sa da vivo opat rychlo sprehladnit.Co tym myslim by velmi jednoducho odhalil napriklad focus group test alebo test ocnou kamerou zamerany na usability.
Stano Dubik | 03.11.2008
Suhlas...
d | 07.11.2008
tak tak flickr.sk :)
Lenka | 03.11.2008
zvykam si rychlo a cele vivo sa mi zda super!! Je lepsie ako to predtym, lebo si tu mozem dat foto kolko chcem a komunikovat so starymi znamymi!! a niektore foto mozem dat do kritiky!!
zdinnoh | 03.11.2008
Iste,všetkým sa bude ťažko zvykať..ale život je zmena a zmena je život..verím že si rýchlo navykneme a budeme sa tešiť aj z vymožeností,ktoré nové Vivo prináša.Naozaj ich nie je málo a tak:hor sa do objavovania.
maco | 03.11.2008
dryim palce, chalani. len tak dalej
tomatito | 03.11.2008
mne sa nove vivo nepaci a nebudem sa pretvarovat..na vive som velmi ocenoval ze ked som bol vo vlaku na ceste do roboty tak som sa z mobilu prihlasil a kukal som posledne prispevky vo fore a z nudy som cital potom som pozeral posledne moje komentare pri fotkach a fotky som otvaral ci niekto reagoval a teda to forum bolo asi najviac co som na mobile vyuzival..bolo to super prehladne iba som klikol na Posledne prispevky vo fore...dnes ked som sa chcel dostat z mobilu na vivo aspon na skusku tak sa mi otvorilo nejake vivo mobil aj ked o to nemam zaujem pretoze mam predplateny neobmedzeny pristup takze rad si pozriem komplet vivo na mobile ale zial neslo mi take a dokonca najlepsie bolo ked som sa nevedel z mobilu ani prihlasit a 20 krat som napisal meno a heslo a furt ho chcelo znova...a keby som sa aj prihlasil tak co by som tu z mobilu robil? pozeral si fotky na displeji 190 krat 230 pixlov? to si radsej pozriem doma skor som rad cital tie textove veci..co zial uz asi skoncilo..preto mi chyba stare vivo..proste som sa prihlasil a kukol forum pripadne tie posledne prispevky a tak..inak velmi ocenujem Tagy a vsetko vyhladavanie s tym spojene, skupiny, moznost dvoch galerii kde jedna je na kritiku a jedna na neobmedzene pridavanie, akurat si myslim ze v jednoduchosti je krasa a nechapem preco sa mozem dostat do svojej posty az styrmi cestami..a takto aj ine veci..podla mna zbytocne a pletie to dost..napovedy nie su zvladnute podrobne lebo zvycajne presne to co som hladal a potreboval som poradit tak to tam nie je napisane..mozno uz je ale nebolo..myslim si ze vsetky veci tykauje sa niecoho sli pekne dat k sebe a co najjednoduchsie to nazvat a poukladat ze nevadi ze je toho vela, ale ze skor pochopi aj blbec...akoze je fajn ze ste vsecia nadseni sa ucit a zvykat si..ale to sa mi este nestalo na nijakom servri aby som tam musel x hodin studovat co ako funguje a na druhy den aj tak vsetko zabudol...ako napisal reefe toto nie je user friendly prostredie a za tym si stojim a kimlo ty reagovat na mna prosim ta nereaguj..dakujem..
David | 03.11.2008
tomatito, mobilnu verziu VIVA som zacal robit cca pred dvoma dnami a za taky kratky cas som nebol schopny ju dokoncit. Bude poskytovat to co som popisujes, ale kus optimalizovane pre telefony...

K ostatnemu sa nedokazem vyjadrit z dvoch dovodov, 1) ak potrebujes hodiny studovat ako sa pridava a pozera fotografia, tak ti pomoct teda naozaj neviem, lebo tento proces sa nijako nezmenil 2) demokracia a kapitalizmus nam priniesli jednu velmi dolezitu slobodu - slobodu vyberu. Ak sa ti nepaci co vidis a uplne ti to sklbe kutikom na ustach, preco mrhas svojim casom a nenajdes si nieco co vyhovuje tebe...
tomatito | 03.11.2008
david...lebo som sem chodil rad preto sa vyjadrujem..ja som na vive robil aj ine veci ako pridaval a pozeral fotografie a hlavne preto mi nevyhovuje to ako to je urobene....ale vsak to je jedno..mne to nicim nesklbe skor mi je luto stareho viva..modernizacia za kazdu cenu//ste si mohli usetrit kopu roboty a bol by aj vlk syty aj koza cela...samozrejme moj nazor ..sum listia..neries..
David | 03.11.2008
tomatito, ta zmena bola aj koli tebe, aj koli inym. Ked bolo stare VIVO, nadavalo sa nan, ked je nove VIVO nadava sa nan. Nedokazem vyhoviet vsetkym, tak sa snazim vyhoviet vacsine... Je len na tebe tomatito, ci si najdes nieco dobre pre seba na VIVE a ci sa na to vykasles. Ja samozrejm budem rad ked ostanes, ale chapem, ked tam nemas to co chces a pojdes inde...
mireclh | 03.11.2008
nove Vivo - myslim ze je super ako su zapracovane nove technologie do portalu - je vidiet ze mate prehlad co sa deje v tejto oblasti avsak tiez si myslim ze jadro stareho viva je zakryte za spustu inej funkcionality (zatial neviem ci dobrej alebo zlej). Sam som zvedavy ako sa to dalej vyvinie a urcite na novy portal nezanevriem... Drzim palce
medenka-vaše | 03.11.2008
Nelíbí se mě to zde nyní, nevyznám se a neumím ani vložit snímek tak aby jste si ho prohlédli.Myslím, že tu bude i váznout ta skvělá srdeční komunikace.Bude to zřejmě tím, že těžko přivykám něčemu novému a že si včas zvyknu a jelikoš mám Vivo moc ráda, tak mě nic jiného nezbyde.Myslím,že tamta komunikace pod snímky byla lepší.....myslííííííím.
Maja | 03.11.2008
Mala som staré vivo rada, niečo mu občas chýbalo, ale nemyslím si, že to boli veľké albumy fotografií. Snáď sa dopracujete k verzii, keď sa budú môcť aj fotografie s vyžiadaným komentárom a zakázaným bodovaním vkladať. Nemám dôvod využívať ukladania veľkého množstva fotografií. Skôr ma zaujímajú názory na moje fotky, ku ktorým sa ale nebude možné tak jednoducho dostať, ako bolo na starom vive. Súhlasím s názormi o chýbajúcej intuitívnosti.Rozumiem nadšeniu programátorov a ľudí, ktorí využijú celú škálu ponuky. Určite je toto riešenie viva výborné pre mnohých a prajem vivu, aby ho aj riadne vyťažili.
Razitko | 03.11.2008
Nemám problém sa zorientovať v zložitejších štruktúrach nového viva, ale je tu kopec vecí, ktoré odvádzajú pozornosť od fotografií, napríklad, nie sú na úvodnej stránke najnovšie fotografie, keď sa prelúskam medzi najnovšie fotografie, a otvorím niektorú, tak vlastne o krok späť, na všetky najnovšie fotografie, sa musím vracať zložito.
Staré vivo bolo také "domácke", útulné, ako napríklad kaviarnička do ktorej chodíš každý deň a vieš, že tam pri stole bude sedieť Jožo, tam Jano a čašníčke Janke povieš "ako obyčajne" a vie čo ti má doniesť, odskočíš si, necháš stoličku odsunutú od stola, vrátiš sa a zasunieš ju naspäť so sebou, ale nové vivo je ako McDonald, alebo nejaký automat, tiež vie, čo chceš, ale keď to naťukáš na automate, ale ako sa parí z kávy pri zalievaní nevidíš, odskočíš si a keď sa vrátiš, stôl máš uprataný a nedopitá káva je fuč :-(
David | 04.11.2008
Pozeraj na fotografie kritiky. Tam sa nezmenilo absolutne nic. Co vidis tam su najnovsie fotografie kritiky, tak ako to bolo na starom vive.

My ti stolicku nebereme. Mas ju sale tam, ale vedla nej mas aj gauc kde si mozes s priatelmi na tu kavu sadnut a ked si ju tam rozlejes, bude tam rolziata kym si ju sam neupraces.
martinhlavac | 03.11.2008
pro mne o.k. i když někdy zbytečně složité "menu" ale každá změna prospěje
tomatito | 03.11.2008
razitko..ked chce podnik prosperovat nemoze ostat utulnou kaviarnickou ..to nevies take ? :)
David | 04.11.2008
Kaviarnicka musela platit servirky, elektriku a hlavne cim dalej tym drahsiu kavu. Kedze jej zakaznici neboli moc stedri a nedavali sprepitne, mala dve moznosti: Zavriet dvere a vyvesit tabulu NA PREDAJ, alebo zobrat pozicku a pristavit dva kridla, aby sa dvihol obrat.
smidka | 03.11.2008
ja vitam novu verziu viva vo vsetkych smeroch..
jedine sklamanie pre mna je :FOTOBANKA; to som teda netusila ze to bude takto vlastne sem moze uz konecne aj moj ocino ( stale po tom tuzil rozdavat body pod fotky, hoci sa do toho vobec nerozumie) no a tak no.. inak nemam problem s nicim teda...
David | 04.11.2008
Naucis ho divat sa na fotografie s kritickym ocom a vsetko bude ako ma byt. Si hadam dobra dcera.
reefe | 04.11.2008
Caute chalani, davidus a ramion a este ti ktori sa podielaju na vivo.sk - Obrovska vdaka za namahu...
Mam naozaj radost z noveho designu, vazne...
No nik ,,z vonka,, ma tu nenasiel, a to medzi tymi co ma tu hladali su aj niesu LAMY, no nenasiel ma nikto, nikto nenasiel to ,,jednoznacne,, tlacitko hladaj...
Ked som im to doma ukazal tak to bolo ako keby si nasiel ameriku... Ked som odysiel zrazu telefonat... ,,A kde najdem tvoje fotky?,,
Ja teda neviem,
Chcel som nové vivo :-)
ale ked sme sa z ramionom rozpravali o novom, tak som nemyslel ze zmenite FILOZOFIU, neviem - nevidite to?
VIVO je zrazu monstrum narocne na cas a energiu...
FOTKA je uplne vedlajsi produkt...
Nema tu podla mna svoje stabilne a dostojne miesto

stravil som tu viac ako dost casu na to aby som nasiel niekde logiku a filozofiu, no nenachadzam tu jednoznacnost ze tomuto portalu ide o FOTKU...

(prosim neberte tieto vety odo mna, ako od cloveka ktory nevie o com hovori, pozitivna kritika je jednoznacna, no negativna posuva dalej a ludia sa nepytaju ako dalej ked su ,,hore,, ale ked idu smerom nadol...)
Ludia tu urcite zostanu, nemaju kam inam ist, no pokial tu ani po case nenajdu to co hladaju - ochladnu zo zaujmu, nemusia hned odyst ale comu pripisujete tie komentare o komplikovanosti?
myslite ze povodny uzivatelia su hlupi a lenivy?

Nechcem poucat ale pokial ste s tym ratali ze ludia budu ,,frflat,, tak sa tomu dalo predist tym ze informujete o pripravovanej platforme na ktorej to bude bezat, spomenut ze bude komplikovanejsie a dopredu oboznamit s principmi...
Tak ako to robil globtel ked prechadzal na orange
ako to robil eurotel - t-mobile
ako to robil Credit Suisse - Winterthur a nasledne AXA
citlivejsie komunikovat s uzivatelom ,,zakaznikom - klientom,,
ANO - je mozne zaujat postoj
NEPACI SA? - TAM SU DVERE!!!
No ak takto budete zastavat predlozene zmeny tak davate len na vyber ANO / NIE
kazdy si vybere...

Ale este nakoniec by som rad pozdvihol design a zladenost farieb na tejto stranke
Kimlo | 04.11.2008
podla mna je to prehladne. hlavne vyhladavanie.
moja frajerka ma tu nasla bez problemov ;)
smidka | 04.11.2008
David to malo by prirovnanie predsa ale mame ignore users moznost tak mozno aj fake nicky nejake tam natrepem aspon =D ...
Reefe neivem v podstate s tebou nesuhlasim ... nechce sa mi to rozpisovat ... globtel alebo orange je platena firma btw....
reefe | 04.11.2008
jasne smidka, ze su plateny,
ale vyuzivaju nieco comu sa hovori - komunikacia s klientom
- a o tom to casto je... :-)
- SORRY ak sa musim nutit nieco nasilu pochopit ked to chcem vyuzivat!
Chcem vyuzivat nove vivo ale nechcem aby ma ovladalo!
Tebe sa nestalo ze si nevedela co a od koho si pozeras? a kam to vlastne patri, kde to vlastne je a tak?
vsak toto nieje USER FRIENDLY prostredie!
David | 04.11.2008
reefe vyzeras ako rozumny chalan, mas paradne fotky, ale v niektorych veciach nemas pravdu.

VIVO zatial nema zakaznikov, vivo nema ani klientov, VIVO ma kopec hladnych deti. Dovol aby som ti vysvetlil preco je nefer porovnavat nas s Orange. Tebe Orange fakturuje kazdy mesiac sluzby, ty im za tie sluzby platis a tym padom sa aj niecoho dozadujes - stare dobre QUID PRO QUO. Orange disponuje kvantom volneho kapitalu a tak si moze dovolit robit PR kampane a tlacit svoju znacku ludom tak hlboko do riti az mas jazyk oranzovy. VIVO vsak za jeho 4 roky posobenia doslova zozralo cez pol miliona korun a neprinieslo nam nic. Nemusis byt ekonom aby si pochopil aky nevyhodny obchodny tah je mat takyto portal. Pytas sa ako je mozne, ze taka obycajna stranka spotrebuje tak vela? 100 tisic kazdy rok za prenajom racku a konektivitu, cez 180 tisic za hardver, niekolko desiatok tisic za sietovy hardver a to nevravim o zhorenych veciach, ktore by nam v idealnom svete mal preplatit DialTelekom. Cize ja som za 4 roky dal na charitu pol melona a spat som dostal nadavky a kopance od mojich hladnych deti. Za to obdobie tam boli 2 (slovom DVE) reklamy. Kedze to nie je tajnost, zisk na nich bol 25 tisic korun - 1/4 roka prenajmu racku a konektivity. Preco nie viac reklamy? Mne sa reklama hnusi, nechodim na stranky kde reklama je a branim sa tomu aby bola na mojich. Preco to vsetko financujem? Dobra otazka. Bavi ma to. Ja som vsak v prvom rade kapitalista az potom filantrop a preto termin "Navrat na Zisku" je prve co mam na mysli - ERGO NOVE VIVO.

Rozjasnuje sa ti? Dufam, ze ano. USER FRIENDLY - par rokov som sa zivil ako usability specialist - nosis drevo do hory. Pravda vsak je, ze v skutocnosti nik nevie co naozaj user friendly je - vid Windows VISTA fiasko a ver mi, oni dali miliony na rozne studie toho systemu. Stovky akademikov rocne publikuju kvantum papierov na tuto temu, nejake najdes aj odo mna, ale vsetko je to len vystrel do luftu, lebo ako sa meni doba, meni sa aj tento pojem. Konzola, taky nenavideny nastroj, je podla mna viac USER FRIENDLY ako cely Windows. Tak isto ako ja pri pohlade na makro pupavy utekam hned na zachod, niekto si toto makro da do pozadia na svojej ploche. USER FRIENDLY - otrasne subjektivny pohlad na vec. Kedze nie som vcerajsi, VIVO bolo posunute na testovanie ludom, ktory ho nikdy predtym nepouzivali a na zaklade ich odporucani boli na nom prevedene zmeny a ty ho vidis uz po tych zmenach. Ty vsak mas to co sa v brandzi vola BIAS. Porovnavas to co bolo s tym co vidis teraz. A koli tomu musis na zvladnutie zakladnych operacii vyvinut viac namahy, lebo tvoja mysel bojuje s novymi skutocnostami. A ked tu uz placame tuto bezvyznamnu anglicku terminologiu, hodim sem este jednu - LEARNING CURVE. Pride cas ked tak ako Descartes, budes osvieteny a v novom VIVE sa budes vediet navigovat aj so zavretymi ocami.

Taktiez neberies (a toto plati pre vsetkych) do uvahy to, ze my na VIVE v kuse robime. Ramion doslova "grcia" PHP kod a ja som si v kancli z plechoviek RedBull-u postavil Cheopsovu pyramidu. A to vsetko preto aby sme vyhoveli nasim detom. Cize reefe, raz mozno pride cas ked, tak ako Orange, ti pred zmenou poslem domov Milku cokoladu s napisom "Priprav sa na sladke prekvapenie." Teraz je vsak realita kus krutejsia a my musime robit veci tak aby sme dosiahli urcite momentum a mohli prestat na chvilu bicyklovat.
noik | 04.11.2008
Je to naozaj zlozitejsie...hm, klamal by som, keby som nenapisal, ze som nebol sklamany...rozkukavam sa...a dakujem chalanom, ktori odviedli mamutiu a mravenciu pracu zaroven.
Moj nazor je, ze urcite ubudne komentov...ale mozno sa mylim. Necham sa prekvapit.
Co sa tyka pridavania fotiek...bolo tu moratorium a nie som nosic nedovareneho obeda, takze osobny pristup prevladne a ja si vlozim fotecku, podla uz navyknuteho casoveho obdobia.
Uz som pisal, ze zmizli aj clanky, ktore som sem prekladal...viem ze nie nalezito jazykovo upravene (nemam doktorat z anglictiny)...ale hadam niekoho donutili o fotke rozmyslat inym smerom. Cize...takto mi odpadne tiez kus prace;)
Takze...vela zdaru nove VIVO :)
Jaro
David | 04.11.2008
Noik clanky pridu spat, robi sa na tom, len to kusok potrva bo ako sam vidis, kadeco ine omina ludi v topanke :)
Kimlo | 04.11.2008
TO DAVID: no, po tej tvojej odpovedi na Reefov prispevok, mi nezostava nic ine, ako povedat, ze mas moj obdiv.
Kimlo | 04.11.2008
samozrejme aj Ramion a ostatni ktori sa podielaju na chode viva.
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I wanted to thank you for this great read!! I definitely enjoying every little bit of it I have you bookmarked to check out new stuff you post...
reefe | 04.11.2008
nuz ved dobre, vidim ze aj vy viete co robite a technicky sa mi to vivo paci,
len ta filozofia, len ta filozofia mi nejak...

- zvykam si a zvyknem si...
Bubu | 04.11.2008
ruke ,za nicim sa nemusis nacahovat..vsetko prisposobene tomu ,aby si si jazdu vychutnaval a nebola odvadzana Tvoja pozornost od toho hlavneho..a to dobreho vyhladu na vsetky strany..plneho venovani a sa jazde..
tesil som sa nove Vivo..fakt..uz som sa nevedel dockat dna ,ked sa zmeni mnoho veci.dizajnom pocnuc a sposobom bodovania konciac..i stalo sa..vsetko je nadupane,vsetko je take ,aby to pritiahlo co najviac ludi..ale zmena nastala tak ,ze sice sedim v nadupanom aute,ale zakryli ste mi celne sklo plachtou...za spolujazdcov mi nukate ludi,co nerozumeju soferovaniu,ale maju moznost a povolenie mi do toho rozpravat..maju komentovat moju jazdu..
poviem to tak,,Vivo bolo jedinecne v tom ,ze malo atmmosferu,ktoru nam zavideli ludia siroko daleko...preto sem chodievalo kopec ludi,ktori mali sice domovsku stajnu sice inde ,ale u nas sa vzdy dobre citili..na Slovensku nie je zase az tolko ludi,cop fotia,co sa venuju fotke..sme obmedzeny populaciou a jazykom..takze necakam taky masivny prilev ludi,nerozbehne sa to nejako sialene a ak ja ano ,tak vsetko na ukor kvality...vsimnite si,kolko fotiek bolo pridanych za poslednych par hodin,,skoro nic..oproti staremu Vivu,kde to len tak frcalo...skoro nic..na starom Vive som mal poicit,ze v hociktoru dennu ci nocnu hodinu sem pridem,tak som tu doma,..ze mozem pisat a hodnotit ..ze to Vivo malo oci a usi..vstupoval som do tohto sveta ,tesil som sa a tazko sa mi z tej rieky vystupovalo..mozno napis..VIVO,,Nikdy nie si sam..ten by to vystihoval..bol to zivy organizmus..aj ked tam boli hadky ,trenice,ale nasiel som tam hlavne kopec priatelov a ludi,co rozumeju fotke,a aj ked nerozumeli,tak sa aspon snazili porozumiet,,bol to taky obrovsky vir,co ma chytil a podmanil si ma..bol to vzacny dar tejto stranky.v tom bola jedinecnost tohto portalu..teraz mam pocit,ze som oslepol a ohluchol..ze som zavrety do miestnosti so styrmi stenami a pozeram sa okolo seba na tie steny,kde sice mam kopec ovladacov a gombikov,ale som tam sam..
co sa tyka finanncovania ..ano,je to skvele ,ze ste to robili,bez toho by to nebolo mozne..vdaka,,ale padla niekedy otazka,ci by ludia chceli platit?spominal si Davidus,ze za styri roky to bolo okolo pol miliona korun..padla niekdy otazka,ze ci by ludia chcel;i prispievat na Vivo>na jeho chod?neviem kolko,,dajme tomu dvesto korun rocne..patsto..je to menej ako vascina z nas prepije za vecer ,ked sa rozsupne..clenske raz do rokoa alebo pri vstupe..a mozno by to bolo vyriesene..odradilo by to ludi,co sa sem dosli len tak spacirovat..mozano ajk fakenicky by neboli v takom mnozstve..a ked ratam,tak by to pokrylo naklady aj na spolocne pitie by este ostalo..by sa to vyselektovalo na ludi,co maju skutocny zaujem o fotku a verim ,ze vacsina ludi by ostala..
zatial tolkoto..idem si to skladat dalej.,.:}diky za porozumenie..
Razitko | 04.11.2008
plne súhlasím so všetkým čo si napísal
Bubu | 04.11.2008
nejako sa mi ten text sekol.. v uvode som pisal,ze daklujem chlapcom za namahu a zacal som ,ze analogia s ty autom nie je az taka na mieste..ked presadnes z zo skodovky do poriadneho auta,tak sa Ti vyroibcovia snazia poskladat vsetko tak ,aby si mal vsetko po ruke..atd.takze text hore
Lubomir Majersky | 04.11.2008
Zdravim Vas,

za poslednych par hodin som sa venoval skumaniu/preluskavaniu VIVA. Precital som si rozne nazory a rozhodol som sa aj ja svojou troskou prispiet. Chcem zdoraznit, ze je to len a len moj nazor, s ktorym nemusite suhlasit.

1. Technicky pohlad:
Urcite je to pokrok, a velky, smerom dopredu. Plne chapem, ze funkcionality, ktore tato verzia VIVA ponuka, nie su 100% funkcne. Az ostra prevadzka dokaze odhalit a vychytat mnohe, ci uz vacsie alebo mensie chybicky, ktore od niektorych z Vas uz boli vyslovene/spomenute. Mna okrem inych funkcionalit zaujala funkcionalita tzv. blokovanie. Pre mna je to uplne zbytocna funkcionalita. Neviem, ci si tvorcovia zobrali za vzor FA, ale ta zatial nefunguje a som rad ze nefunguje, bodaj by vobec nefungovala. S kolegom som si ju pretestoval, ako pri pridavani komentarov pod fotku, tak aj v internej poste. Pri uploadovani obrazkov dochadza k chybovym hlaskam aj ked vyskoci finalna sprava o uspesnom uploadovani. Vcera som si to odskusal na viackrat s tym, ze som si aj fotku zmazal a znovu ju nahral (nepouzivam IE) a... ...a zistil som aj, ze chyba informacia o max. rozmeroch pri vkladani fotiek a to bez deformacie. Ta sa da najst v napovede, ale mohla by byt dostupna priamo pri vkladani. Dalej je to vynutena povinnost tagovania, co sa mne osobne vobec nepaci. Keby to bolo volitelne, budiz, ale povinne, tak to mi nevonia a... ...a mohol by som pokracovat.

2. Pocit
Mam pocit, ze podstata kludneho a nicim neruseneho prezerania fotiek a ich komentovania uplne zanika. Su tu rozne fotosekcie, clovek nevie, podla coho sa ma riadit. Najprirodzenejsie je snad podla casu vlozenia, tak ako to je na vsetkych fotogaleriach a ako to bolo aj tu predtym... ...dalej neobmedzena moznost vkladania fotiek u mna vyvolava nedobry pocit, ze vkladajuci budu sem vkladat cokolvek, bez rozmyslu, i ked chapem, ze tie fotky nebudu podliehat bodovej fotokritike... ...nedobry pocit mam aj z toho, ze fotka, ktoru chcem, aby bola vo fotokritike, musi by bodovana. Ked nie je vo fotokritike, velmi rychlo zapadne. Opat sa to teda zvrhne, napriek pekne opisanej napovede, ze na co maju sluzit 6-ky a 7-ky. Negativne na mna vplyva aj mnozstvo "rusivych" prvkov na stranke/podstrankach:

"Namixovane specialne pre Teba" - Na zaklade akych kriterii sa mi nieco nanucuje, aby som si pozrel tu ktoru fotku?
"Siete", "Moji priatela", "Blokovanie", "Vzajomni priatelia" "Skupiny" a co ja viem co este...
...proste pocitovo to vnimam negativne.

Chcem vidiet fotky, chcem vkladat fotky a chcem sa k nim vyjadrovat a chcem, aby sa ini vyjadrovali zasa k mojim fotkam...

No, mam toho viac, ale hadam staci
MirekE | 04.11.2008
Sakra,
člověk jen vytáhne paty z baráku, tak mu hned rozházejí hračky!!! ... Co je to tady na straně za fotky? Kde mám svojí červenou lištu? Kurňa a sebrali mi fórum... :))))

Já tleskám... :))) ještě chvilku se sice asi budu potácet kvůli nové ergonomii ovládání, chvilku budu tápat než si vezmu novou VIVO filozofii za svou, ale nebude to nijak hrozný proces.

VIVO se vyvíjí a to znamená, že neumírá. Naopak, chytá další dech a pádí kupředu. Gratuluji a přeji hodně spokojených fotografů a mnoho krásných fotek.

P.S: To fórum, případně online chat pod fotkama bych docela bral :)))

P.P.S: A propo, je chybka v helpu, v popisu nahrávání fotografií je uvedeno, že si jich mohu nahrát kolik chci, ale jen dvě dát jednou deně ke kritice... asi by to mělo být obráceně -> že jednu za dva dny...
Tohunga | 04.11.2008
Přečetl jsem si mnohé z připomínek, které jsou tu a s mnohými věcmi souhlasím. Je pravda, že i já se těšil na upgrade Viva. Nejsem zastánce stereotipu a mám rád změnu, ale musí být k lepšímu. Nové Vivo má mnohé věci, které jsem uvítal, ale Bubu to napísal pěkně s tím zacloněním výhledu a pocitem izolace. Je to prostě poněkud chaotické. Padla tu i otázka financování Viva... Ani já se nebráním nějakému poplatku, pro mě je fotografování koníček a každý koníček prostě něco stojí. Nikoho z vás nenapadl třeba kompromis??? Každý člen by mohl mít na výběr dvě možnosti, zaregistrovat se zdarma, mít přístup ke všem základním funkcím, jako je galerie, atd.. ,ale mít limitovaný upload a přístup k ostatním službám. Pak by byly placení členové, kteří by zaplacením poplatku získaly všechny výhody člena Viva. Získali by se finanční prostředky nutné ke stálému zdokonalování služeb a tím spokojenosti platících členů.

PS: Přikláním se k názoru, že staré Vivo mělo své mouchy, ale rozhodně působilo přátelštěji. Mělo prostě svého osobitého ducha, který se teď někam vytratil a je to rozhodně škoda!!!
mreziar | 04.11.2008
Tak ako uz bolo napisane ludia maju respekt pred niecim novym.
To iste je aj u mna no zatial podla mojho nazoru a pocitu to stare vivi bolo prehladnejsie,jednoduchsie a nemusel som sa tak zlozito vracat na nove foto po ohodnoteni ci nahliadnuti na foto.
Ale je to moj osobny nazor no hadam po urcitom case to bude aj lepie ked najdem azimut.
McRol | 04.11.2008
Zatiať som žiadne pozitíva neobjavil, no uvidíme neskôr.
Dejo | 04.11.2008
McRol, ty si asi spadol z jahody. Uz len to vyhladavanie je pozitivum... Na starom VIVE nemali nic. Len clovek musel klikat a klikat a tym to koncilo...
renka | 04.11.2008
Zdravím.
Souhlas s Bubu :-) Nemám problém tu najít co potřebuju, ale je to ohromně rozbujelé na všechny strany a je z toho roztříštěný obraz... Když otevřu stránku mého přítele, tak vidím všechno možné, ale fotku v ústraní... Určitě si postupně zvyknu... zvykneme... Komentářů je zatím minimum, na forum a inzerci se těším...ale je brzo na nějaké závěry - začínáme...
profesor77 | 04.11.2008
...akoby som začal....Podľa mňa už bolo dosť vecí popísaných a patrím k tým ktorým zostáva rozhodnúť sa.To čo ma tu držalo bolo teplo ktoré zo starého viva vyžarovalo a že admin držal vivo na úrovni istej slušnosti a držal uroveň aj kvalitu na istých pravidlách.No až teraz vidím ,že to bola svojim spôsobom vypočítavosť,lebo vedel o novom zámere...O čom hovorím? Je mi ľuto,že sa tu znovu objavili mená vyhodených ľudí,ktorí tu robili zlú atmosféru ,no ako teraz vidím boli to kamaráti.Je demokracia ako to tu už niekto uviedol a nik nás tu nedrží...To som tiež pochopil z vyjadrenia sa Davida.To sú prvé moje postrehy ktoré sa mi nepáčia a admin hned porušil svoje isté slovo,ale to neriešim veď to má byť o fotografiách nie? Teraz sa mi niekto bude snažiť nahovoriť ignorovanie ktoré je v ponuke...Ale to už je o niečom inom a kúzlo starého viva pomynulo.Dúfam,že toto otvorenie nových možností prinesie nové pozitíva no momentálne som vo stave sklamania,pretože som bol spokojný so starým vivom a podľa mňa problém ktorý tam bol bol v nás a nie v stránke ako takej...Príjemný večer.
McRol | 04.11.2008
Mňa by zaujímalo na čo je dobré:"namixované špeciálne pre Teba...". Vyzerá to ako nepodarený prvok sociálneho inžinierstva :))). V hlavných úlohách mám stále reefeho a smidku :)))
Kimlo | 06.11.2008
ak ta trapi len toto, tak nieje co riesit :)
mavnutim ruky sa to da ignorovat.
Root | 04.11.2008
Ja som spokojný. Netreba sa "zlakať" .. Pokiaľ niekto dokáže objaviť logiku fungovania veci je to super. Ja som spokojný, pochopil som logiku fumgovania nového VIVA a tlieskam autorom, skláňam sa a ďakujem ..

VIVO prestáva byť neosobným webom, VIVO sa dokázalo perzonifikovať. Mne to vyhovuje. ( Môj názor! )

Po odstránení pochopiteľných ( novorodenec .-D ) bugov nemá na SVK a CZ konkurenciu.
Kimlo | 06.11.2008
asi tak nejak. suhlas
tomatito | 04.11.2008
root ak mas tolko casu napis mi co je tu a pouzivas to a co z toho nie je na fotoaparat.cz prehladnejsie usporiadane :) dakujem
Bubu | 05.11.2008
no..priznam sa..plachta na tom celnom skle ako som spominal vyssie zacina padat dole..:}
efrafa | 05.11.2008
mne sa terajsie vivo paci viac ako predosle...a jednu vec nepochopim a to ako ze sa 10 ludi po sebe spyta nato ako funguje "namixovane specialne pre teba"
McRol | 05.11.2008
Dejo, máš problém s iným názorom ? Skrátka zatiaľ sa mi to nepáči, a Ty to nejako stráviš nie ?
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